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	<title>Comments on: Why MySpace Sucks.</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/tealou/linkartist/design/why-myspace-sucks/#comment-7622</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the flaws that you mention were the main driving force when i created fixagig.co.uk which is a tamed down version of myspace. I created it for musicians only (currently wanting to gig in the UK) and only allowed a few choices of background colours and no layout changes, since I find it really annoying browsing myspace and not being able to find what I'm looking for because of the daft layouts and black backgrounds with black text. If musicians really just want to show what they can do in a musicians community, then thats what they can do, without chainletter messages and the site visitors can easily find the part they want since every account is laid out the same. Also, the only interactivity currently allowed is for venues to book the acts or listen to their music.

I know it isn't as big and well known as myspace but I think the fixagig members benefit more from that than they do from their myspace accounts. I think myspace has had it's day and was popular because it was a new idea which, with the evolution of the web has become a rather pointless idea.

Apologies if this sounded like a plug for my own site but I thought this was a very relevant article to why I created it in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the flaws that you mention were the main driving force when i created fixagig.co.uk which is a tamed down version of myspace. I created it for musicians only (currently wanting to gig in the UK) and only allowed a few choices of background colours and no layout changes, since I find it really annoying browsing myspace and not being able to find what I&#8217;m looking for because of the daft layouts and black backgrounds with black text. If musicians really just want to show what they can do in a musicians community, then thats what they can do, without chainletter messages and the site visitors can easily find the part they want since every account is laid out the same. Also, the only interactivity currently allowed is for venues to book the acts or listen to their music.</p>
<p>I know it isn&#8217;t as big and well known as myspace but I think the fixagig members benefit more from that than they do from their myspace accounts. I think myspace has had it&#8217;s day and was popular because it was a new idea which, with the evolution of the web has become a rather pointless idea.</p>
<p>Apologies if this sounded like a plug for my own site but I thought this was a very relevant article to why I created it in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxy</title>
		<link>http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/tealou/linkartist/design/why-myspace-sucks/#comment-7566</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you bring up some good points (e.g. the glitter images), but I do think that you are being over argumentative about something that doesn't really matter. And if you think that it does matter, then I do feel sorry for you. 
You just seem to be arguing over something that does what it's main target audience wants it to do, and I'm sorry that that target audience isn't you. 
Bulletins are just for sharing information, however big or small. I do find the crazy amount of "quizzes" and like you said the "OMG-FORWARD-IT-ON-TO-EVERYONE-OR-YOULLDIE!!!1111!!!" but you just have to look past those and just remember that they have the right to do that and if you REALLY don't like it, just delete them from your friends list. Simple. 

I just think it is a great place to talk to friends and bands. Just use other websites for other things. Like this one for your blog, much better than what Myspace has to offer. So just use this instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you bring up some good points (e.g. the glitter images), but I do think that you are being over argumentative about something that doesn&#8217;t really matter. And if you think that it does matter, then I do feel sorry for you.<br />
You just seem to be arguing over something that does what it&#8217;s main target audience wants it to do, and I&#8217;m sorry that that target audience isn&#8217;t you.<br />
Bulletins are just for sharing information, however big or small. I do find the crazy amount of &#8220;quizzes&#8221; and like you said the &#8220;OMG-FORWARD-IT-ON-TO-EVERYONE-OR-YOULLDIE!!!1111!!!&#8221; but you just have to look past those and just remember that they have the right to do that and if you REALLY don&#8217;t like it, just delete them from your friends list. Simple. </p>
<p>I just think it is a great place to talk to friends and bands. Just use other websites for other things. Like this one for your blog, much better than what Myspace has to offer. So just use this instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Shana</title>
		<link>http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/tealou/linkartist/design/why-myspace-sucks/#comment-7262</link>
		<dc:creator>Shana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you for the most part, but I know that obviously since the majority doesn't make it, some people that are pretty big now got their music discovered through Myspace.  But I guess you really, really have to have talent to make it like they did, and not sound like every other band out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you for the most part, but I know that obviously since the majority doesn&#8217;t make it, some people that are pretty big now got their music discovered through Myspace.  But I guess you really, really have to have talent to make it like they did, and not sound like every other band out there.</p>
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		<title>By: A Random Me</title>
		<link>http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/tealou/linkartist/design/why-myspace-sucks/#comment-6737</link>
		<dc:creator>A Random Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough you might like to note that they've done research showing that myspace/facebook etc apparently mirror class divisions in US society.
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/24/myspace_facebook_mir.html

Discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough you might like to note that they&#8217;ve done research showing that myspace/facebook etc apparently mirror class divisions in US society.<br />
<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/24/myspace_facebook_mir.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/24/myspace_facebook_mir.html</a></p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: Madame Stuff</title>
		<link>http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/tealou/linkartist/design/why-myspace-sucks/#comment-6711</link>
		<dc:creator>Madame Stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two words: Amen, sister. 
MS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two words: Amen, sister.<br />
MS</p>
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		<title>By: A Random Me</title>
		<link>http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/tealou/linkartist/design/why-myspace-sucks/#comment-6679</link>
		<dc:creator>A Random Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 17:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I mostly only use it because one of my friends tend to use it as their primary "email" - I seldom browse profiles etc because most of them are deeply unattractive and are filled with crap. I certainly agree with you on bulletins - people also tend to use them to send the same message about eighteen times. I suppose that comes from just accepting whichever stray people have decided to add me and worrying about it later - as such I seem to have mostly inherited camwhores and spammers, with a smattering of musicians and a small batch of people I actually know.

Their blog stuff is generally considered to be wank - it makes simple tasks a monumental effort.

I saw a lot of stuff about them claiming ownership of stuff in their terms - there was a lot of fuss in the webcomic world about it too.

But what do I know?

On the plus side however, imagine the horrors the people on there could unleash on sites otherwise. It keeps the teenagers busy, and in the case of most (not all) of them, they're better off away from the general public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I mostly only use it because one of my friends tend to use it as their primary &#8220;email&#8221; - I seldom browse profiles etc because most of them are deeply unattractive and are filled with crap. I certainly agree with you on bulletins - people also tend to use them to send the same message about eighteen times. I suppose that comes from just accepting whichever stray people have decided to add me and worrying about it later - as such I seem to have mostly inherited camwhores and spammers, with a smattering of musicians and a small batch of people I actually know.</p>
<p>Their blog stuff is generally considered to be wank - it makes simple tasks a monumental effort.</p>
<p>I saw a lot of stuff about them claiming ownership of stuff in their terms - there was a lot of fuss in the webcomic world about it too.</p>
<p>But what do I know?</p>
<p>On the plus side however, imagine the horrors the people on there could unleash on sites otherwise. It keeps the teenagers busy, and in the case of most (not all) of them, they&#8217;re better off away from the general public.</p>
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		<title>By: T.R. Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/tealou/linkartist/design/why-myspace-sucks/#comment-6677</link>
		<dc:creator>T.R. Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tealou</title>
		<link>http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/tealou/linkartist/design/why-myspace-sucks/#comment-6674</link>
		<dc:creator>tealou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 04:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You've hit the nail on the head there, Flashman. 

Making yourself accessible as an artist is the single best thing you can do to get a web presence, regardless of the technology you use to achieve it.

But it is a really hard balance when it comes to something like MySpace. Having worked on t'other side, where fans can actually be very demanding, I can understand why many artists just give up on the whole web thing. I know that with Lisa, her inbox is filled with so many messages that it becomes almost a full time job just following up with MySpace. I cannot even fathom how the bigger artists manage it.

Billy Connolly delved in briefly, then I imagine he got overwhelmed by it all and deleted his profile. It does actually become really hard on somewhere like MySpace to engage with your fans when every fruitcake on the site messages you.

So, its sort of a double edged sword, where you want to engage with your fans, but the nature of MySpace, I would say, it is not a safe place to do it if you have a public profile.

Not only that, it is also a question of putting in time and what that payoff is. For me, I havent seen MySpace paying for the time we spend maintaining it, so anecdotally, that is my opinion. However, other bands (who are in the minority I might add) have success with it, so it really depends.

For indie artists, I do believe that there are other ways of doing things, but having a MySpace is a great way of getting your music heard. I particularly love the Perth music scene and will often just browse my friends' friends' for a listen. MySpace is EXCELLENT for this.

But I guess, like everything, when the teenagers infest it, it becomes harder and harder to manage ;)

Personally, I think that having a song or 2 up on MySpace is a great idea, but making yourself accessible via there is asking for trouble, because people then come to expect it. I dunno, I guess in the online world, particularly with the younger folk, they don't feel that there is any distance between them and their favourite musicians. Now, I don't know, I do wonder if boundaries being broken down is a bit of a negative as well, where if you are even just a little bit in the public eye, all of a sudden you are indebted to people by virtue of having a MySpace profile! Its bizarre really. (I sound like an old fart longing for the days of ole, where we would write away with $10 in an envelope to a fan club!)

Especially seeing as our obsession with celebrities seems to be getting worse and more invasive... I dunno... there's a lot of issues at play when it comes to how the entertainment industry meshes with the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head there, Flashman. </p>
<p>Making yourself accessible as an artist is the single best thing you can do to get a web presence, regardless of the technology you use to achieve it.</p>
<p>But it is a really hard balance when it comes to something like MySpace. Having worked on t&#8217;other side, where fans can actually be very demanding, I can understand why many artists just give up on the whole web thing. I know that with Lisa, her inbox is filled with so many messages that it becomes almost a full time job just following up with MySpace. I cannot even fathom how the bigger artists manage it.</p>
<p>Billy Connolly delved in briefly, then I imagine he got overwhelmed by it all and deleted his profile. It does actually become really hard on somewhere like MySpace to engage with your fans when every fruitcake on the site messages you.</p>
<p>So, its sort of a double edged sword, where you want to engage with your fans, but the nature of MySpace, I would say, it is not a safe place to do it if you have a public profile.</p>
<p>Not only that, it is also a question of putting in time and what that payoff is. For me, I havent seen MySpace paying for the time we spend maintaining it, so anecdotally, that is my opinion. However, other bands (who are in the minority I might add) have success with it, so it really depends.</p>
<p>For indie artists, I do believe that there are other ways of doing things, but having a MySpace is a great way of getting your music heard. I particularly love the Perth music scene and will often just browse my friends&#8217; friends&#8217; for a listen. MySpace is EXCELLENT for this.</p>
<p>But I guess, like everything, when the teenagers infest it, it becomes harder and harder to manage <img src='http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Personally, I think that having a song or 2 up on MySpace is a great idea, but making yourself accessible via there is asking for trouble, because people then come to expect it. I dunno, I guess in the online world, particularly with the younger folk, they don&#8217;t feel that there is any distance between them and their favourite musicians. Now, I don&#8217;t know, I do wonder if boundaries being broken down is a bit of a negative as well, where if you are even just a little bit in the public eye, all of a sudden you are indebted to people by virtue of having a MySpace profile! Its bizarre really. (I sound like an old fart longing for the days of ole, where we would write away with $10 in an envelope to a fan club!)</p>
<p>Especially seeing as our obsession with celebrities seems to be getting worse and more invasive&#8230; I dunno&#8230; there&#8217;s a lot of issues at play when it comes to how the entertainment industry meshes with the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Flashman</title>
		<link>http://www.linkartist.com.au/blog/tealou/linkartist/design/why-myspace-sucks/#comment-6673</link>
		<dc:creator>Flashman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 10:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Téa, this is an interesting counterexample to a NYT article I read today: &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/13/magazine/13audience-t.html?ex=1336708800&#38;en=1d5b472eddd4dcad&#38;ei=5124&#38;partner=permalink&#38;exprod=permalink" rel="nofollow"&gt;Sex, Drugs and Updating Your Blog&lt;/a&gt;. It's a bunch of interviews with artists who have (mainly) used MySpace to get their bands off the ground and into a niche audience. I think there's a place for MySpace - it's a community that's well understood both by artists and users, it's a unified gathering place, and for all its (many, many) flaws it does actually do its job fairly well. Most artists would do well to have a primary dotcom site as well, like a friend of mine who has sold out two pressings through CD Baby.

The key is to be as accessible as possible, though as the article points out, communing with your audience is a fine line between them ignoring you (you're too small) or you ignoring them (you're too big, or too busy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Téa, this is an interesting counterexample to a NYT article I read today: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/13/magazine/13audience-t.html?ex=1336708800&amp;en=1d5b472eddd4dcad&amp;ei=5124&amp;partner=permalink&amp;exprod=permalink" rel="nofollow">Sex, Drugs and Updating Your Blog</a>. It&#8217;s a bunch of interviews with artists who have (mainly) used MySpace to get their bands off the ground and into a niche audience. I think there&#8217;s a place for MySpace - it&#8217;s a community that&#8217;s well understood both by artists and users, it&#8217;s a unified gathering place, and for all its (many, many) flaws it does actually do its job fairly well. Most artists would do well to have a primary dotcom site as well, like a friend of mine who has sold out two pressings through CD Baby.</p>
<p>The key is to be as accessible as possible, though as the article points out, communing with your audience is a fine line between them ignoring you (you&#8217;re too small) or you ignoring them (you&#8217;re too big, or too busy).</p>
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